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Let the Gun Control Debate Begin

Gov. Malloy’s State of the State address, the appointment of the Sandy Hook commission and the opening of the new legislative session marked the official start to the debate that will inevitably result in new gun control legislation for Connecticut.

This past week, I sat on the floor of the House for Governor Dannel Malloy's State of the State address at the invitation of State Rep. Gail Lavielle (R-143).

The room was energized with the knowing smiles of campaign veterans and giddy, apple-cheeked newbies ready to put long-promised campaign ideals into practice.

Gov. Malloy spent several choked-up minutes speaking about Newtown, the newly appointed Sandy Hook commission and the need for gun control. And although his speech was pretty darned light on the details of how to move the Connecticut economy forward (he actually spent more time waving the flags of accomplishment), he did get the soundbite of the day when he observed that the answer to the gun violence problem is not more guns.

Last week, and how to best respond to it. Most reader comments -- and I read every single one, even if I don't always respond -- were insightful and rational.

Because Patch In and Patch Back are meant to encourage local debate about the issues of the day, rather than reply to each thread I decided to incorporate readers' comments here:  

  1. Many asked, "Could someone please explain how mental health evaluations will stop crime?" The Sandy Hook assassin used guns taken from his mother, who acquired her weapons legally and presumably would have passed a mental health background check.
  2. Some said, "Maybe the answer to gun control IS more guns." No one talks about the number of people whose lives were saved after an armed citizen took out an unsuspecting attacker. Perhaps trained-and-packing staff could prevent future tragedies.
  3. Others observed, "Are you crazy? No one should have a gun except for members of law enforcement or the military, period." Do you really think your handgun or shotgun is going to keep you safe in the unlikely event the U.S. government storms your house?
  4. And finally: "A killer with conviction will still find a way to kill, gun or no gun." Remember Oklahoma City?

Many readers used statistics to solidify their points, the details of which I did not verify and will not report here. But lest this debate become a retread of I’ll see your safe and legal gun ownership statistic with an equally persuasive gun violence statistic and raise you with a heartbreaking anecdote, let us stop and reflect on some additional considerations.

First, as of this writing, there has been no credible information on the medicine the Newtown shooter may have been taking. Nevertheless, anecdotal evidence suggests that he was, obviously, mentally ill. What, if any, treatments were made available to him? Did he engage in or refuse treatment, and why?

Second, law-abiding, gun-owning citizens are exposed to the same violent movies, video games and news every day that gun-owning criminals are. Nevertheless, most gun owners are able to resist these violent influences and make it through their lives without committing horrific crimes (or having their weapons stolen for the purpose of committing horrific crimes). Does this fact render the cultural influence argument moot?

Third, shouldn't the purpose of this legislation be to reduce violence in all its forms, not just reduce the number or type of guns sold in Connecticut? And if that is the case, don't we need to address the serious mental health treatment issue in this country?

The ugly truth is that any current or future Connecticut gun control legislation, no matter how strict, is impotent if a crazed person decides to commit a mass killing. Securing a weapon, is, apparently, a simple matter for a determined criminal.

The nature of these tragedies is such that civilized society is compelled to act. And yet, this compulsion to "do something" often results in feels-good, does-nothing, time-squandering legislation.

The gun control debate, up until now, has always resulted in a stalemate because both sides are well armed (no pun intended) with equally persuasive statistics and advocates. Nevertheless, the Second Amendment is clear: the people have the right to keep and bear arms and the Supreme Court of the United States has twice ruled in recent few years to uphold #2.

As a result, our best approach is de-stigmatizing psychological illness to encourage family members to seek help for those who need it most and by making that help readily available.

Perhaps we should make a thorough mental health evaluation part and parcel of the well visit (let's put Obamacare to work!). We should also implement an "if you see something, say something" approach to potential public safety threats.

Just to be clear, I'm no mental health expert. But the approaches we've used thus far clearly aren't working. Anyone who would attack a school, or a movie theater, or a military base, or a mall, or an office is clearly in need of treatment.

Finally, let us remember that more legislation is only better legislation if it provides real value and lasting positive change.

Karen E Daden January 15, 2013 at 03:14 pm
Lisa well said. The USA is the only country, excluding warring ones where guns are allowed in the volume they are. But the discussion have always been about gun control. Mental health should not and cannot be overlooked. One point that I have never heard discussed is how many health plans marginalize mental health evaluations and treatments. Even with Obamacare this is happening. The discussion needs to include this as well as banning all military, paramilitary types of weapons, stricter background checks (to include family members), limiting size of magazines, mandatory training for all gun owners (to include handguns) on a regular basis and registering of firearms on a yearly basis(we have to register our dogs every year). Let us stop the talk and act now. Let us not have Sandy Hook fade into the background as we have done with Columbine, Fort Hood, Aurora. More words, more studies are not the answer those little children deserve. It is now time to make the tough decisions.
CuriousOrange January 15, 2013 at 05:11 pm
Background checks would be more effective if they (A) were universal, (B) considered family members and friends and (C) were subject to periodic renewal.
Karen E Daden January 16, 2013 at 04:52 pm
Bingo, especially periodic renewal. We have to renew driver licenses, business licenses why not background checks and gun licenses.
Lisa Bigelow January 16, 2013 at 11:53 pm
Thanks for reading!
Agreed, especially on the background checks. No sane person could possibly object to it...depending, I suppose, on what the guidelines would be. Lisa
OpportunistWatch January 20, 2013 at 07:45 pm
I see so many debating this American terror attack on our babies and some even cite other terror attacks such as Colorado and Columbine.
After graduating Sacred Heart I travel to Jerusalem and I experienced a very similar terror attack one week after it was committed by an American terrorist back in 1994. This American terrorist used his Israeli issued assault machine gun to massacre in amass shooting 29 innocent praying people. Baruch Kopel Goldstein terror attack February 25, 1994 was an American-born physician and mass murderer who perpetrated the 1994 Cave of the Patriarchs massacre in the city of Hebron, killing 29 unarmed peaceful Palestinian worshipers and wounding another 125. Goldstein was raised and educated in Brooklyn Ny which is less than an hour from Sandy Hook. Goldstein's gravesite became a pilgrimage site for Jewish terrorist extremists. In 1999, after the passing of Israeli legislation outlawing monuments to terrorists, the Israeli army dismantled the shrine that had been built to Goldstein at the site of his interment. As we debate gun control, remember that more guns is not that answer.
Theresa January 20, 2013 at 09:31 pm
Excellent piece. My only criticism is that the statement "assed a mental health background check" is moot. There is no mental health background check when applying for a permit in CT unless the person has committed a prior felony and mental illness was a factor or information is given voluntarily. Physicians (including Psychiatrists and Psychologists) are prohibited from giving information about patients.
Jackie Santella February 2, 2013 at 01:26 am
Very good points...

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