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Examining the Connecticut-California Comparison

The states are 3,000 miles apart, but some say much closer when it comes to socio-economic policy.

“Connecticut is California without the weather” goes a relatively new quip making the rounds.

Lately it appears the small state suffers from a big identity crisis. Some point to the social policy passed during the last legislative session as evidence of Connecticut’s tilt to the left. And some point to the fiscal situation as proof positive the Nutmeg State shares much with the Golden State.

So is Connecticut really California without the weather? Capitol DisPatch set out to analyze the aside.

"There's something to that. Connecticut has been clearly evolving. It’s almost counter culture people who have come to power here," said Prof. Gary Rose, chairman of the politics and government department at Sacred Heart University. "When you talk about paid sick leave, civil unions, marijuana, that used to be a West Coast thing. But now it seems Connecticut has been absorbed into the liberal fold. The state has changed from being a swing state. It voted for Ronald Reagan in 1984.”

Then a blue front moved across the state and changed the political forecast. Democrats continue to outnumber Republicans in the state house and Democrats hold all of Connecticut’s Congressional seats, both in the U.S. House and the U.S. Senate.

The weather part of the jibe refers to southern California, where temperatures average in the 70s. However, a little to the east lies the hottest spot in the Western Hemisphere – Death Valley, where the average 24-hour daily temperature in July is 101 F.

Connecticut is less constant when it comes to weather. According to the National Oceanic Atmosphere Administration, NOAA, the warmest temperature on record is 106 F, recorded in Danbury on July 15, 1995. The coldest temperature belongs to Falls Village, which registered -32 F on Feb. 16, 1943.

But when state Rep. Vincent Candelora, a Republican representing East Haven, North Branford and Wallingford in the 86th House District, thinks about climate, it’s got nothing to do with temperature.

This past session that progressiveness translated into decriminalization of marijuana, transgender bill of rights, and good behavior credits for convicted criminals.

“Historically California goes in one direction and the country goes in another,” Candelora said “That’s why people feel that way, that we are going against the national trend.”

Precisely, said state Sen. L. Scott Frantz, a Republican representing Greenwich, New Canaan and Stamford in the 36th Senate District.

“It’s the kind of legislation that gets states into trouble,” Frantz said. “Often when you break the mold that created the best country known to mankind - if you get too far away from that mold - you are in trouble.”

Frantz said decriminalizing marijuana, transgender, and the passage of gay marriage illustrates this kind of mold breaking. The second-term senator said he would have preferred Connecticut to leave it at civil unions, calling that a “terrific solution to the age old question of how to avoid discrimination.”

State Rep. William Tong, a Democrat representing Stamford in the 147th House District and candidate for U.S. Senate, sees it differently.

“I view Connecticut as its own state with a very clear identity – a wonderful place to raise a family; a community of hardworking people; and a place ready to be a leader in the economy of tomorrow,” Tong said. “During the current recession, many states have run into budget problems and some, sadly, have attempted to balance budgets on the backs of our working men and women.”

For Fred Carstensen, UConn’s director for Connecticut Center for Economic Analysis, comparing the two states is like comparing apples and oranges, or the White Oak and the Redwood.

“I don’t see the analogy at all,” Carstensen said. “Connecticut doesn’t have a super majority to make tax increases, it doesn’t have split party rule. It doesn’t have the kind of referendum and recall structure that can make life so difficult there. I don’t see it at all.”

Yet regarding the financial situation, most legislators agree Connecticut stands on a precipice. Moody’s recently lowered the outlook for the state’s bond rating from stable to negative.

The General Assembly passed Bioscience Connecticut as a means to carve a research and development corridor in the state. It also passed “Learn Here, Live Here” as a means to attract and keep young people in the state.

Gov. Dannel P. Malloy also told legislators to prepare for a special session on jobs come autumn.

Aside from paid sick leave and historic tax increases, Candelora said the state must deal with the unions if it’s to regain financial footing.

“I think the unions have a strong presence in Hartford but we’re a long way away from Wisconsin,” Candelora said. “We’re not anywhere near Wisconsin but we should be reforming collective bargaining.”

Yet, it isn’t just jobs or lack of them that prompts the Connecticut-California comparison. It’s the debt.

Right now California has a $10 billion debt, compared with Connecticut’s $1.6 billion debt, Frantz said. Put another way, California’s debt is $270 per person compared to Connecticut's $471 per capita.

“We are the single most indebted people. We are in worse shape than California,” Frantz said.

Connecticut also exceeds California in numbers when it comes to its respective state house.

California has 120 legislators for 37,253,956 people, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. That breaks down to 40 state senators and 80 assembly members.

Connecticut has 187 legislators for 3,574,09 people, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. That breaks down to 36 state senators and 151 state representatives.

“People are very pro-government here, which is ironic since the license plate says Constitution State – which implies limited government,” Rose said. “Connecticut as California – it’s a propos.”

Mark Lofthouse July 11, 2011 at 10:46 am
Yes. CT has been heading in this direction for the past 15 years. Both states know how to drive business OUT with high taxes. This is just to name one of many. Without business, CT's economy will flounder, just like CA's current economic issues that are on the brink of collapes
Thomas Alegi July 11, 2011 at 12:41 pm
Yes! Counter culture people have come into power here in Connecticut over the years. How did these Counter culture people become so powerful here in Connecticut? The answer is simple, it’s due in part because these counter culture people that have this power here in Connecticut today are the children of people who grow up in the 1960’s and 1970’s. This period of time could be called the most counter culture era in American history.
William July 11, 2011 at 01:17 pm
The comparison is off and the facts appear wrong. I wish our debt were only 1.6b.
Times are changing, look for the yellow flags cropping up in increasing numbers.
Mike July 11, 2011 at 01:53 pm
It's because Connecticut copies every illconceived hair brained thing California does. It has been said that after the founding fathers created the country, they stood it on end, and everything that was loose fell to the end.
Michael Brown July 11, 2011 at 02:38 pm
I've never been prouder to be a Connecticut Yankee as I have been in the last few years. I for one, do not want to go back to the State we used to be
- a State where a sick employee could be fired for not coming to work sick - a State where transgender people could be fired or denied housing because the way they look - a State where loving couples could not marry because of their "sexual orientation."
Mark Lofthouse July 11, 2011 at 03:05 pm
Hi Mike - The societal issues you mention are all correct and agree they needed to be updated. However, the rate of spending and taxation is out of control and is at the very center of our current financial woes here in the Nutmeg state. Let's not confuse Social and Economic issues.
Again, your points are all well taken, but to the struggling families and seniors in CT, societal concerns must be balanced with sound financial common sense. Protecting sick employees is an ideal thing, but the effort is meaningless when people are unemployed due to poor fiscal leadership in CT Congress that drives businesses and jobs out of our state. Being a true Connecticut Yankee by definition also means being frugal and stubborn, both, of which, are lacking from a vast majority of our Representatives in Hartford. Peace!
John P. Flanagan July 11, 2011 at 03:48 pm
It would be wonderful if one of these brain surgeons would define "counter culture". Let's see. I'll match my degrees with Gary Rose any day of the Week. Same field from a different Catholic University. Plus my minor teaching fields include theology, philosophy and English. Glad to debate. Frantz & Candelora merely show their lack of knowledge and historic background of government in the US or Connecticut. In Hartford, they legalized a drug for medical use that probably shouldn't have been criminalized if the first place. It was criminalized as part of "scare parents" tactics in the late 20's & early 30's with no scientific basis. That's, also at least, since liquor and nicotine aren't outlawed. "Civil Unions" is, in reality all the State can certify. The State has no marrying power. And, since people marry each other, the JP, minister, rabbi or priest are merely witnesses representing the government when they sign the license. Those witnesses don't "take" anyone, or prohibit anyone from, "this day forward. Probably should have classified all as civil unions from the State's point of view and left the marrying to people in whatever faith, or not, they wanted. But, it's not the marriages really is it? It's the insurance companies, the power of attorney, the estates and the hospitals isn't it? Mandatory sick days I think are dumb. So they got one out of three. But, counter culture? Nah! Just anti-fascist. That's where the Republican Party has gone.
Don Charles July 12, 2011 at 12:51 pm
Hey John is it wrong being anti fashist? Believe thats a good thing to be. Maybe thats what we need more of in this state. We now have a socialistic fascist governor, Barack Malloy.
Victoriaanna Adinolfi July 12, 2011 at 10:57 pm
Will it take an invasion of malevolent extra-terrestrials to unite humanity to the point where we stop picking nits over details and come together as one? A world community that focuses on bringing out human potential and not litigating over tax code - it's the Star Trek idealist in me, I guess...
Michael Brown July 13, 2011 at 11:54 am
Mark: I prefer the egalitarian community in Berkley, CA to the tax-free "libertarian utopia" in Somalia. But that's just me.
Mark Lofthouse July 13, 2011 at 01:04 pm
Hi Mike - In my view all people are indeed born equal, but as we develop and grow our life choices are what begin to separate us. Some work hard, while others hardly work. Contributing to your community/nation/world/life, rather than continually taking from it, seem to be what has created much of the problems we see today. Those that work and pay the bulk of the taxes feel like we are being beaten like a rented mule and has created a growing resentment toward those in public office that do not understand the concept of frugality. As for Libertarian view, whats wrong with promoting and extolling the virtues of individual freedom & liberty? Not sure how you connect the current religious war and civil strife in Somalia with being a Libertarian Utopia? This nation has disintegrated into nothing more than organized chaos. Connecticut needs to tighten it's belt now, before it is too late. By the way, I view Berkley to have evolved into more of a communistic state. Best regards Mike. Peace!
Doug July 13, 2011 at 03:37 pm
California’s debt is $270 per person compared to Connecticut's $471 per capita and we're only learning how to be progressive like them......
Connecticut's fate will be determined not only on what it offers to it's population and businesses but also what expects from it's population and businesses as well. Paid sick days will be great but at what cost? Is paid sick leave more important then unemployment if business leaves? Transgender and gay equality along with lenient weed laws and prisoner rights may be progressive to some but not necessarly as progressive to others. I really don't care what someone else is doing as long as it doesn't harm or is forced on my family. I'll let you know if I consider all that is being done progressive in a year or so after I see how it has affected me and those around me.

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